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Can a "non-Jew" Move to Israel? - Also a bit regarding Judaism

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#1 IllNath

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 02:19 PM


Hey Everyone! I hope you are all fine and happy today.


I’m a 19 year old male who, in the last couple of months, has experienced a growing interest for Israel.
It all started in history class, where we were to analyze different conflicts (hot zones) in the middle-east, and I chose Israel. After some time, I felt “hooked” as they say. I guess some would call me pro-Israel. Well, to keep a long story short, I have a few questions I hope people would like to answer, and guide me through.


Here goes


1. If I am in no way related to any jewish/Israeli person, is it possible for me to move to/ live in Israel?
2. If yes, can I somehow obtain citizenship in the state of Israel?
3. Could I join the army if I wanted to? (Compulsory military service)


4. Would it be hard to get a job in Israel, if one does not speak Hebrew?


5. I guess this one is something people would have different opinions on, but I haven’t met people who were able to answer this: How do Isrealites view people who has converted to Judaism, compared to people who were born in Jewish families?



Ps. I’m sorry if I’ve offended anyone by using a wrong term or word, in any particular sentence. Also, sorry if these questions have been asked too many times, and I haven’t done enough research on the forum here.


Hope to see some answers and thank you all for your time.


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#2 Kalashnikover_Rebbe

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 02:41 PM

1. Possibly depending on what you'd be doing...
2. Exceedingly unlikely (unless you convert, or marry an Israeli)
3. I believe so
4. It depends on in what field. But it is certainly possible
5. Sincere converts are considered full fledged Jews (and you wouldn't ever be required to tell anyone anyway).
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#3 IllNath

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 03:37 PM

1. Possibly depending on what you'd be doing...
2. Exceedingly unlikely (unless you convert, or marry an Israeli)
3. I believe so
4. It depends on in what field. But it is certainly possible
5. Sincere converts are considered full fledged Jews (and you wouldn't ever be required to tell anyone anyway).


Thank you very much for the answer :) !

So, If I marry an israeli women, could she then take me with her to live in Israel?
Would I have to convert before going to Israel, or when I'm in Israel to obtain citizenship??

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#4 Kalashnikover_Rebbe

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 04:09 PM

So, If I marry an israeli women, could she then take me with her to live in Israel?

Well the problem is that in Israel there is no civil marriage so you can't marry an Israeli Jew unless you yourself are Jewish. International civil marriages are recognized, but Religious Jews (and even many not so religious ones) strongly frown upon intermarriage, so expect an issue...

Would I have to convert before going to Israel, or when I'm in Israel to obtain citizenship??

It depends on how you do it, and who you speak to about your plans. There is a TON of bureaucracy in Israel including the Chief Rabbinate and if you don't do things THEIR way exactly, expect a lot of aggravation. Both are an option, but I think in general you should complete the process from start to finish either all IN Israel or all abroad. I think there is also a special conversion visa but I'm not sure of the details and if things get delayed you can get into trouble...
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Posted 03 October 2011 - 04:21 PM

Israel is a second world economy. Good luck finding a descent job over there. The prospects of which are much lower than in the US. You need an actual degree or marketable skill to make anything. The army is not going to pay you like it would in the US.

It seems you have found the back door into Jew-hood. I too may need to marry a Jewish woman to give myself Jewish status. As soon as this happens I want all the good job hook ups and business loans as possible. I also will be able to have a child that is not dumb.

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 04:22 PM

I don't see any genuine belief in Judaism in this poster's wish to live in Israel. So a conversion according to mainstream is likely to be met with opposition and discouragement, which it is anyway, but with more reason here.
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Posted 03 October 2011 - 04:22 PM

It seems you have found the back door into Jew-hood. I too may need to marry a Jewish woman to give myself Jewish status. As soon as this happens I want all the good job hook ups and business loans as possible. I also will be able to have a child that is not dumb.

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#8 IllNath

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 04:22 PM

Thanks a lot ! - I've been planning to move to Israel, when I'm done with my education (going to take a few years though). Just a thought but I like the thought so far.

What status do you have in Israel, if your are like a tourist who lives there, works there etc. ? By status I mean rights.

Oh, as you can hear I don't know a lot about this topic, but how do they look upon relationships outside of a marriage? Very curious :)

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 04:26 PM

Secular Israelis are like secular anyone; they are fine with all kinds of out of marriage relationships.
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Posted 03 October 2011 - 04:32 PM

Uhm. I'm sorry if I came of as someone just wanting to convert because I wanted to live in Israel. That wasn't quite my intentions. I was just curious about the different "rules" and regulations when living in Israel. I'm planning on going there for a few weeks in my "gap" year, which is next year. Maybe it wil put things straight, :) But I've heard the citizenship should be very hard to get though.. even harder than a lot of other countries .

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 05:13 PM

Uhm. I'm sorry if I came of as someone just wanting to convert because I wanted to live in Israel. That wasn't quite my intentions. I was just curious about the different "rules" and regulations when living in Israel. I'm planning on going there for a few weeks in my "gap" year, which is next year. Maybe it wil put things straight, :) But I've heard the citizenship should be very hard to get though.. even harder than a lot of other countries .

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I'm sorry but I still don't hear the "I love the Torah, I can't wait to be part of it" that would make me think otherwise. It's still all about living in Israel, not about being a Jew. Or are you actually saying you would be happy to live in Israel as a non Jew?
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Posted 03 October 2011 - 05:23 PM

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 04:14 AM


I'm sorry but I still don't hear the "I love the Torah, I can't wait to be part of it" that would make me think otherwise. It's still all about living in Israel, not about being a Jew. Or are you actually saying you would be happy to live in Israel as a non Jew?


I don't know a lot about the Torah, so it would be ignorant of me to say that I love the torah.

Nevertheless, I have not doubt that it would be more pleasant to be Jewish when living in Israel. But I think I would like to convert when being in Israel, not in my homecountry.

As I said before, I know more about Israel and it's history, then the Torah.
Not trying to offend anyone here my friends. :)

Can anyone recommend any sites one can visit to learn about the Torah? Some of the main elements?

thank you.

- IllNath.

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 04:22 AM


I don't know a lot about the Torah, so it would be ignorant of me to say that I love the torah.

Nevertheless, I have not doubt that it would be more pleasant to be Jewish when living in Israel. But I think I would like to convert when being in Israel, not in my homecountry.

As I said before, I know more about Israel and it's history, then the Torah.
Not trying to offend anyone here my friends. :)

Can anyone recommend any sites one can visit to learn about the Torah? Some of the main elements?

thank you.

- IllNath.


askmoses.com and aish.com are good starting off points. Actually askmoses is only if you know what you want to know about, aish is more laid out in front of you.
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Posted 04 October 2011 - 04:31 AM


askmoses.com and aish.com are good starting off points. Actually askmoses is only if you know what you want to know about, aish is more laid out in front of you.


Ok thank you very much! :) Do you live in Israel or? - Again, thanks :)

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 05:57 AM


Ok thank you very much! :) Do you live in Israel or? - Again, thanks :)

- IllNath


Not exactly although we have a second home there and are there at least six to eight times per year. At the moment we live in London. We have two married children in Israel and ten grandchildren out there too.
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Posted 04 October 2011 - 06:40 AM

Israel is a second world economy. Good luck finding a descent job over there. The prospects of which are much lower than in the US.


It's funny because unemployment in the US is double what it is in Israel today.

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 07:21 AM

Israel is a second world economy. Good luck finding a descent job over there. The prospects of which are much lower than in the US. You need an actual degree or marketable skill to make anything. The army is not going to pay you like it would in the US.

It seems you have found the back door into Jew-hood. I too may need to marry a Jewish woman to give myself Jewish status. As soon as this happens I want all the good job hook ups and business loans as possible. I also will be able to have a child that is not dumb.


There is not a single sentence in the quoted post that is actually correct. Even a stopped clock......


I don't know a lot about the Torah, so it would be ignorant of me to say that I love the torah.

Nevertheless, I have not doubt that it would be more pleasant to be Jewish when living in Israel. But I think I would like to convert when being in Israel, not in my homecountry.

- IllNath.


You would not be able to convert in Israel unless you plan to live as an Orthodox Jew.

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 07:34 AM


There is not a single sentence in the quoted post that is actually correct. Even a stopped clock......


What about "I also will be able to have a child that is not..."?

Oh... nevermind.

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 08:07 AM

There is not a single sentence in the quoted post that is actually correct. Even a stopped clock......

Hm... We'll have to investigate what a 'descent job' is before passing judgement.
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