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#21 Razie

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 03:02 PM

Sure. Love the truth, hate the sinner............ Wait, did I make that up? :p

Dunno.

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 04:02 PM

Btw, there's only one h person that I really actively dislike at a personal level at this time.


That would be ... drum roll.. wait for it...

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#23 Razie

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 04:08 PM

That would be ... drum roll.. wait for it...

ME !

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Lordy, no. Not you. You are largely harmless and you're actually quite pleasant lately. Let's not make this a guessing game though.

#24 Red Hare

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 04:36 PM

Lordy, no. Not you. You are largely harmless and you're actually quite pleasant lately. Let's not make this a guessing game though.


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Posted 08 November 2011 - 05:19 PM

Dunno.

Btw, there's only one h person that I really actively dislike at a personal level at this time. You are not that person. Anyone I currently actively respond to is not that person, even if my responses are combative. I do not engage with the person I dislike and am blind to that person's posts. Someone I strongly dislike is not worth my time or attention. That's generally how I've dealt with anyone in my life that I've disliked - they become non-entities to me. It works for me. I might think some other people here are nuts or stupid or clueless or whatever, but that wouldn't merit strong dislike either.

Okay.

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 05:39 PM

If Imma drink first thing in the morning, it ain't gonna be wine...
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Posted 08 November 2011 - 08:04 PM

Sheesh guys, calm it. I ended up in the curious position today of drinking wine with breakfast (I wanted grapefruit juice, but we were out, and I saw the wine and decided, on whim, to have some [it was flat, if you're interested]). This made me wonder, half seriously, if anyone actually drinks wine (or other alcohol) with breakfast. While I didn't really expect anyone to seriously answer yes, I figured that it couldn't hurt to throw this out here in case some of the strange people on here were odd in this aspect too. I figured there might actually be people who do things beyond my comprehension or imagination -- there are people who eat meat for breakfast, after all.

So eilu v'eilu, Razie + Sav. You were both right. I was serious, but also silly and pseudo-random. And I did get a couple of interesting comments in response (Bez, rvn), so it wasn't entirely useless.
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Posted 09 November 2011 - 07:56 AM

If I recall, Pirke Avot says it's a bad practice to consume alcohol early in the day. So, AM wine is something not encouraged---except for kiddush.

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Posted 09 November 2011 - 07:58 AM

If I recall, Pirke Avot says it's a bad practice to consume alcohol early in the day. So, AM wine is something not encouraged---except for kiddush.

Interesting. I don't remember this, and would love a source.
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Posted 09 November 2011 - 09:02 AM

A mimosa is made with champage. Champagne and a fizzy white white are pretty similar.

I'd LOVE to put some Kahlua in my coffee or hot chocolate in the Am !!

Sometimes i put a bit of chocolate liquer into mh's coffee.

While not absolutely forbidding wine on other occasions outside of Shabbat/Yom Tov, the Torah does discourage it. Historically Jews have drunk very little it is only with a decline in generations that we see casual or heavy drinking showing up in our communities.

I'd be curious where you came up with this. If anything wine as a casual drink was more accepted in the past than it is today.
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Posted 09 November 2011 - 09:10 AM

If I recall, Pirke Avot says it's a bad practice to consume alcohol early in the day. So, AM wine is something not encouraged---except for kiddush.

Unless you can quote the exact passage, you remember incorrectly.

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Posted 09 November 2011 - 09:23 AM

Sometimes i put a bit of chocolate liquer into mh's coffee.

thats a great idea!
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Posted 09 November 2011 - 10:06 AM

Unless you can quote the exact passage, you remember incorrectly.


"R. Dosa b. Harkinas said: Morning sleep and midday wine and children’s talk and sitting in the meeting houses of the ignorant people put a man out of the world." (3:14)

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Posted 09 November 2011 - 10:07 AM

"R. Dosa b. Harkinas said: Morning sleep and midday wine and children’s talk and sitting in the meeting houses of the ignorant people put a man out of the world." (3:14)

Midday ain't morning. :)

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Posted 09 November 2011 - 10:11 AM

Midday ain't morning. :)


True.

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Posted 09 November 2011 - 10:12 AM

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Posted 09 November 2011 - 10:13 AM

Midday ain't morning. :)


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Posted 09 November 2011 - 10:20 AM

I'd be curious where you came up with this. If anything wine as a casual drink was more accepted in the past than it is today.


Mishley (Proverbs) 23:20
"Do not be among wine-guzzlers, among gluttonous eaters of meat for themselves."
Mezudath David explains: "for their own pleasure, not for the enjoyment of the Sabbath and Festivals".
Eliyahu Rabbah (ch26) limits even the consumption of meat and wine on the Sabbath.
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#39 Red Hare

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Posted 09 November 2011 - 02:18 PM

For those who make kiddush shabbos morning, are they drinking wine or using grape juice?

We eat before davening so it's not a discussion for us. and by that time, it's not morning any longer.
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Posted 09 November 2011 - 02:29 PM

I've seen wine and shnapps (along with herring, cholent and kugel) served around 9:45 a.m., after hashkama minyan.




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