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#21 Nooch

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Posted 23 November 2011 - 01:12 PM

Not really, it's only clear that at the time Onkelos asked them, they were still there. They might not be there now.

Ayin sham.
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Posted 23 November 2011 - 01:14 PM

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Posted 23 November 2011 - 01:14 PM

Ayin sham.


What? [What does that term mean?]

#24 Nooch

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Posted 23 November 2011 - 01:27 PM

What? [What does that term mean?]

Investigate (deeper) there.
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Posted 23 November 2011 - 01:59 PM

Investigate (deeper) there.


Ok, I looked at the gemara. Where does it indicate he is still there?

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Posted 23 November 2011 - 02:08 PM

Reminds me of the serious halachic question of whether the springs in Teverya are heated with hellfire or star heat.

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Posted 23 November 2011 - 03:42 PM

You might feel differently about it when you reach my age and really have to think about the reality of olam habah and gehennom and where you might end up. It concentrates the mind wonderfully, and as such I think this anecdote trivializes it.


That must be a horrible burden to carry with you like that. I hope you know that there are plenty Rishonim that have a different take on the whole hell, fire and brimstone thing.

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Posted 23 November 2011 - 03:45 PM

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Posted 23 November 2011 - 03:47 PM

Do you get the better treatment if you pasken like them?


It has been theorized.

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Posted 23 November 2011 - 03:49 PM

That must be a horrible burden to carry with you like that. I hope you know that there are plenty Rishonim that have a different take on the whole hell, fire and brimstone thing.

You do realize Chazal in Avos suggest that everybody keep this in mind.
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Posted 23 November 2011 - 03:50 PM

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Posted 23 November 2011 - 03:51 PM

You do realize Chazal in Avos suggest that everybody keep this in mind.


The Mishnah does not mention hell.

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Posted 23 November 2011 - 03:52 PM

They say to remember that you will be worm food, not used for hail fire target practice.

Yes. Essentially remember that you will one day die.
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#34 Nooch

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Posted 23 November 2011 - 03:55 PM

The Mishnah does not mention hell.

True. I was only focusing on her apparent fixation of her eventual death which she recognizes is coming.
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#35 DQ

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Posted 23 November 2011 - 04:02 PM

They say to remember that you will be worm food, not used for hail fire target practice.


Welcome back!

True. I was only focusing on her apparent fixation of her eventual death which she recognizes is coming.


Jews, and Lutfaks in particular, had always had a spooky hell fetish. Far be it for me to take that away from someone. Though if she finds it too burdensome she can do some research into the different approaches to the matter.

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Posted 23 November 2011 - 05:51 PM

That must be a horrible burden to carry with you like that. I hope you know that there are plenty Rishonim that have a different take on the whole hell, fire and brimstone thing.


Not really, no. It just keeps me trying to do the right thing instead of assuming I can do what I like now and pay later.

True. I was only focusing on her apparent fixation of her eventual death which she recognizes is coming.


I'm not fixated. Just aware of reality. Which it wouldn't hurt all of us to be.
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Posted 28 November 2011 - 01:28 PM

I think it has become safe to assume that not only do many members of this board not have any sense of humor, but they find the fact that others have a sense of humor to be offensive. How sad for all of them. No sense of humor sounds like the worst kind of hell on earth to me...


I disagree and claim that dealing with automated call centers is hell on earth.
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4) "Men are so insecure in their sexuality. If they see two men with a deep friendship -- gay. If they see a man who isn't constantly lusting after women -- gay" - Savannah
5) "Isn't a divine hora'at sha'ah an even better license to kill than whatever James Bond has?" - Rentsy
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6) "Facebook is spiritual chametz, because one becomes inflated with one's sense self importance while sitting around doing nothing" - Rentsy
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Posted 02 December 2011 - 08:36 PM

Explaining to Christians that Lucifer is not Satan

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Posted 05 December 2011 - 09:41 AM

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