Early this morning, "Hasidic reggae superstar" Matisyahu shocked the (Jewish) world with a tweet declaring, "At the break of day I look for you at sunrise When the tide comes in I lose my disguise," and including links to bare-faced photos of himself.
Several hours later, Matis followed up on his website:
Sorry folks, all you get is me…no alias. When I started becoming religious 10 years ago it was a very natural and organic process. It was my choice. My journey to discover my roots and explore Jewish spirituality—not through books but through real life. At a certain point I felt the need to submit to a higher level of religiosity…to move away from my intuition and to accept an ultimate truth. I felt that in order to become a good person I needed rules—lots of them—or else I would somehow fall apart. I am reclaiming myself. Trusting my goodness and my divine mission.
http://www.huffingto..._n_1146404.html
Has Matisyahu gone OTD?
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Posted 13 December 2011 - 03:55 PM
Looks like it. I pity his wife and kids.
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Posted 13 December 2011 - 04:09 PM
Looks like it. I pity his wife and kids.
wow
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Posted 13 December 2011 - 04:18 PM
wow is right. also feel sorry for all his fans, he was an example for so many frum kids...
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Posted 13 December 2011 - 04:18 PM
just becuz he shaved his beard doesnt mean he went off the d ........
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Posted 13 December 2011 - 04:35 PM
Dunno if you guys saw this but the article is updated to say that he is still religious.just becuz he shaved his beard doesnt mean he went off the d ........
The world has too many stupid people who are full of confidence, and smart people who are full of self-doubt.
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Posted 13 December 2011 - 04:37 PM
just becuz he shaved his beard doesnt mean he went off the d ........
Although it is true that someone who had a beard for religious reasons and shaved it is generally not heading down a great path...
"Spiritual wants and instincts are as various in the human family as are physical appetites, complexions, and features, and a man is only at his best, morally, when he is equipped with the religious garment whose color and shape and size most nicely accommodate themselves to the spiritual complexion, angularities, and stature of the individual who wears it."
"The despotism of heaven is the one absolutely perfect government. An earthly despotism would be the absolutely perfect earthly government, if the conditions were the same; namely, the despot the perfectest individual of the human race, and his lease of life perpetual. But as a perishable perfect man must die, and leave his despotism in the hands of an imperfect successor, an earthly despotism is not merely a bad form of government, it is the worst form that is possible."
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Posted 13 December 2011 - 04:40 PM
I think he's pretty typical of BT's who have gone this route. Chabad, and orthodoxy in general seem to look better from afar.
We might want to look at ourselves and ponder why so many fail to find our ways worthy enough to stick around.
We might want to look at ourselves and ponder why so many fail to find our ways worthy enough to stick around.
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Posted 13 December 2011 - 04:45 PM
Huh? Perhaps your experience differs from mine, but I know a fair number of BTs by way of chabad, and very few have "backslid"I think he's pretty typical of BT's who have gone this route. Chabad, and orthodoxy in general seem to look better from afar.
We might want to look at ourselves and ponder why so many fail to find our ways worthy enough to stick around.
"Spiritual wants and instincts are as various in the human family as are physical appetites, complexions, and features, and a man is only at his best, morally, when he is equipped with the religious garment whose color and shape and size most nicely accommodate themselves to the spiritual complexion, angularities, and stature of the individual who wears it."
"The despotism of heaven is the one absolutely perfect government. An earthly despotism would be the absolutely perfect earthly government, if the conditions were the same; namely, the despot the perfectest individual of the human race, and his lease of life perpetual. But as a perishable perfect man must die, and leave his despotism in the hands of an imperfect successor, an earthly despotism is not merely a bad form of government, it is the worst form that is possible."
-Mark Twain
"The despotism of heaven is the one absolutely perfect government. An earthly despotism would be the absolutely perfect earthly government, if the conditions were the same; namely, the despot the perfectest individual of the human race, and his lease of life perpetual. But as a perishable perfect man must die, and leave his despotism in the hands of an imperfect successor, an earthly despotism is not merely a bad form of government, it is the worst form that is possible."
-Mark Twain
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Posted 13 December 2011 - 04:55 PM
this is so not a big deal..the fact is that nobody really knows him to judge correctly just that his beard was his look and now its not there.I think he's growing.
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Posted 13 December 2011 - 05:04 PM
Huh? Perhaps your experience differs from mine, but I know a fair number of BTs by way of chabad, and very few have "backslid"
I said he's typical of those who have gone "this" route, not typical of all BT's, obviously.
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Posted 13 December 2011 - 05:18 PM
I'm not judging him at all. I'm sure his life isn't easy.
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"H.com becomes a proverbial Hotel California for many of us" Nooch
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Posted 13 December 2011 - 05:21 PM
But your conclusion that we need to examine why "so many" find our way of life untenable seemed to indicate that you felt this was true of a significant portion of BTsI said he's typical of those who have gone "this" route, not typical of all BT's, obviously.
"Spiritual wants and instincts are as various in the human family as are physical appetites, complexions, and features, and a man is only at his best, morally, when he is equipped with the religious garment whose color and shape and size most nicely accommodate themselves to the spiritual complexion, angularities, and stature of the individual who wears it."
"The despotism of heaven is the one absolutely perfect government. An earthly despotism would be the absolutely perfect earthly government, if the conditions were the same; namely, the despot the perfectest individual of the human race, and his lease of life perpetual. But as a perishable perfect man must die, and leave his despotism in the hands of an imperfect successor, an earthly despotism is not merely a bad form of government, it is the worst form that is possible."
-Mark Twain
"The despotism of heaven is the one absolutely perfect government. An earthly despotism would be the absolutely perfect earthly government, if the conditions were the same; namely, the despot the perfectest individual of the human race, and his lease of life perpetual. But as a perishable perfect man must die, and leave his despotism in the hands of an imperfect successor, an earthly despotism is not merely a bad form of government, it is the worst form that is possible."
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Posted 13 December 2011 - 05:23 PM
I'm not judging him at all. I'm sure his life isn't easy.
At least he didn't turn Yoily. Why do you say his life isn't easy?
But your conclusion that we need to examine why "so many" find our way of life untenable seemed to indicate that you felt this was true of a significant portion of BTs
It is true of a significant portion of BTs and their kids.
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Posted 13 December 2011 - 05:48 PM
I posted this over A YEAR ago:
I think Matisyahu has been slowly but progressively selling out. He used to perform in a suit and hat and lately he's wearing all kinds of things... still wears his tzitzis out so that's cool.
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Posted 13 December 2011 - 05:56 PM
I think he's pretty typical of BT's who have gone this route. Chabad, and orthodoxy in general seem to look better from afar.
We might want to look at ourselves and ponder why so many fail to find our ways worthy enough to stick around.
Maybe its the Kiruv people (chabad and the like) who need to re-examine THEIR ways of bringing people in.....its a lot fuzzier and shinier when its being sold than what the reality really is a frum culture and lifestyle.
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Serenity to accept things we cannot change,
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Ability to feel your love for us and our love for each other and the
Strength to get up and try again even when we feel it is hopeless.
Serenity to accept things we cannot change,
Courage to change the things we can, and the
Wisdom to know the difference
Patience for the things that take time
Appreciation for all that we have, and
Tolerance for those with different struggles
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Ability to feel your love for us and our love for each other and the
Strength to get up and try again even when we feel it is hopeless.
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Posted 13 December 2011 - 06:05 PM
ok - that's what I was questioning, since in my (admittedly not overly broad) experience it is not true of a significant percentage of BTs. Their children re a different issue IMHOIt is true of a significant portion of BTs and their kids.
"Spiritual wants and instincts are as various in the human family as are physical appetites, complexions, and features, and a man is only at his best, morally, when he is equipped with the religious garment whose color and shape and size most nicely accommodate themselves to the spiritual complexion, angularities, and stature of the individual who wears it."
"The despotism of heaven is the one absolutely perfect government. An earthly despotism would be the absolutely perfect earthly government, if the conditions were the same; namely, the despot the perfectest individual of the human race, and his lease of life perpetual. But as a perishable perfect man must die, and leave his despotism in the hands of an imperfect successor, an earthly despotism is not merely a bad form of government, it is the worst form that is possible."
-Mark Twain
"The despotism of heaven is the one absolutely perfect government. An earthly despotism would be the absolutely perfect earthly government, if the conditions were the same; namely, the despot the perfectest individual of the human race, and his lease of life perpetual. But as a perishable perfect man must die, and leave his despotism in the hands of an imperfect successor, an earthly despotism is not merely a bad form of government, it is the worst form that is possible."
-Mark Twain
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Posted 13 December 2011 - 06:05 PM
Maybe its the Kiruv people (chabad and the like) who need to re-examine THEIR ways of bringing people in.....its a lot fuzzier and shinier when its being sold than what the reality really is a frum culture and lifestyle.
Maybe in America. IF you throw out all the phoniness frum is awesome!!! Probably why so many BTs live in Israel...
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Posted 13 December 2011 - 06:09 PM
BTs live in Israel for the same reason they became frum: to escape.Maybe in America. IF you throw out all the phoniness frum is awesome!!! Probably why so many BTs live in Israel...
The world has too many stupid people who are full of confidence, and smart people who are full of self-doubt.
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