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#1 tznef

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 08:23 AM

Just stumblled upon a great video that I thought you guys would find interesting.. Honestly, how many of these facts did you know? Reply with an answer if you dare.. :-)


#2 LoveToLaugh

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 11:54 AM

It didn't work :(.
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Posted 30 January 2012 - 12:37 PM

Really? It works for me. It's a Youtube video. Maybe you have it blocked?

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 02:01 PM

works now, not sure what happened last time. i want to rewatch later when i have more time to see what i knew and didn't know.
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#5 Savannah

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 04:34 PM

I knew all of these except for like three or four of them.

#6 tznef

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 05:28 PM

I knew all of these except for like three or four of them.


WOW! How?

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 08:12 PM

WOW! How?

By taking tours, by reading, by having classes on the history of the State of Israel. These aren't obscure facts or anything.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 11:54 AM

I knew almost all of them except for a few parts of certain facts. Also, some of the facts are incomplete or inaccurate.
For example, it is not certain that the stone pictured is the foundation stone. Also, it is not certain where on the mount the original temple was located.
The carved names in the stones predate the custom of putting in notes.
The reason why the Western Wall is special among the remaining walls is not only because of the foundation stone. There are midrashim that say that the Western Wall is the only surviving wall. Why that is, I don't know. Maybe conspiracy theorists can have a go.
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Posted 01 February 2012 - 03:16 AM

I knew almost all of them except for a few parts of certain facts. Also, some of the facts are incomplete or inaccurate.
For example, it is not certain that the stone pictured is the foundation stone. Also, it is not certain where on the mount the original temple was located.
The carved names in the stones predate the custom of putting in notes.
The reason why the Western Wall is special among the remaining walls is not only because of the foundation stone. There are midrashim that say that the Western Wall is the only surviving wall. Why that is, I don't know. Maybe conspiracy theorists can have a go.


There will always be arguments about everything but all the experts in the field including the gdolim today say that this is the foundation stone and the location of Beit hamikdash.
The video only refers to why we pray in front of the western wall, and that is because it is the closest to the foundation stone. In the time of the Secont beit hamikdash no one prayed there although it was still special, and it was a marketplace..

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 03:34 PM

23 (I didn't know about the "street sign")
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Posted 02 February 2012 - 03:11 PM

There are midrashim that say that the Western Wall is the only surviving wall.


I think the midrashim are talking about the western wall of the Temple and not the western wall we are referring to which is the western wall of the Temple Mount (as mentioned in the video)

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 03:57 PM

I think the midrashim are talking about the western wall of the Temple and not the western wall we are referring to which is the western wall of the Temple Mount (as mentioned in the video)

If that's true it an interesting fact. Is the part that remained then still standing now also?
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Posted 04 February 2012 - 12:08 PM

If that's true it an interesting fact. Is the part that remained then still standing now also?


The western wall of the Temple may very well still exist, but archeologist are not allowed to do any work in the area in order not to upset the arabs. (The Arabs are digging instead and destroying as much as they can)

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 08:17 PM

There will always be arguments about everything but all the experts in the field including the gdolim today say that this is the foundation stone and the location of Beit hamikdash.
The video only refers to why we pray in front of the western wall, and that is because it is the closest to the foundation stone. In the time of the Secont beit hamikdash no one prayed there although it was still special, and it was a marketplace..

That post is simply not true. There are many reasons why it can't be the foundation stone, more, perhaps, than reasons why it might be.
It is much taller than the foundation stone was. The rest of Jerusalem is higher than it was - that's why all the ruins are underground. Why would this stone be taller?
It has a tunnel leading from it to the nachal kidron. There is no such tradition about the even shesiya, but there is one about the altar.
It has a building on top of it. The Zohar supposedly says that the kodesh kadashim will never be built on.
Etc.
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Posted 04 February 2012 - 09:06 PM

Having been on a tunnel tour about two years ago, there weren't really any surprises. I was lucky enough to say Tfilas HaShla on erev R"C Sivan in the tunnels.
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