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#1 Mordy8888

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 09:56 AM

Enclosing some links that may help folks deal with abusive behavior online.


Please note, that 99% of the time that one has a negative interaction online, it is with one of these internet kids who like to play games. It is very rare that a negative interaction online is with a regular person. It is usually a computer saavy kid consciously trying to annoy and harass others. They consciously go out and look for people to annoy and harass.

My suggestion for websites that encounter this problem is to only allow members who provide real world identification. That can help to eliminate these kids. A simple way to do that would be to require, say, a $1 a year membership fee payable by a major credit card. That would tend to provide the documentation that these kids would be afraid of (since it could be subsequently used to track and prosecute them).

On this site, I have seen some posts by and about atheism and various ones critical of basic Jewish tenets. My guess would be that 90% of these posts, if not all, are not by Jews interested in a debate, but by these internet kids posing as Jews, in order to annoy and harass other people. Note that this is not actually an expression of real anti-Semitism, as much as it is the present "onine culture" where these kids just run around trying to annoy and harass anyone and everyone.

Information links below:


The first two links give a good overview

Internet Trolls - A Practical Guide

http://www.teamtechn...co.uk/troll.htm


Recognising and Dealing with Trolls

http://www.teamtechn...ll-tactics.html


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two links below, Wired Safety and the Internet Crime Complaint Center are groups that address aspects of internet safety....

Wired Safety - the world's largest Internet safety, help and education resource

http://www.wiredsafety.org/

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for criminal behavior (United States):

Internet Crime Complaint Center
Federal Bureau of Investigation
J. Edgar Hoover Building
935 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C. 20535-0001
http://www.ic3.gov/


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Internet Trolls:

http://en.wikipedia....roll_(Internet)

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Sock Puppets

(multiple identities)


http://en.wikipedia....net_sock_puppet



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flame baiting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flamebait

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Trolling on MySpace:

http://news.yahoo.co..._pcworld/147730

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NY Times Article:


http://www.nytimes.c...&hp&oref=slogin


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#2 33948

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 12:08 PM

That is a good idea about the $1 fee. Although with membership as low as it is, it would only discourage people from joining. This is a site open to non-Jews as well.

Commonly on forums I am accused of trolling. In reality I like to ask tough questions, have people think, critically analyze accepted beliefs and patterns etc. Rather most forums are about people reinforcing their own fallacies.

What was that belief in Judaism that people are capable of analyzing and interpreting Torah on their own and applying it using their own minds?

This site has helped me understand various aspects of Judaism by asking tough questions and getting answers.

Yet overall I feel society as a whole and Judaism is based too much on cronyism. People reward other Jews, relatives, fellow wealthy people etc. rather than loving their neighbor as themselves, rather than rewarding merit etc. Cronyism is inherent in our society today and getting worse. In the very least I like to slap these people into reality. The reason is many of the people at the top (or in Jewish circles) benefit from cronyism and yet lie to themselves and others and claim their successful position is the result of their own work, talents etc.

It is an exploitative system, very similar to slavery or feudalism in which a universal responsibility towards one's fellow citizens is abdicated in favoring of "taking advantage" of others to allow one's self and one's close friends, kin etc. to get ahead at the expense of others.

#3 Red Hare

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 03:48 PM

Good thing that neither of you are in charge.
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Posted 03 May 2012 - 07:21 PM

lol

#5 Pinchas

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 01:35 AM

Good thing that neither of you are in charge.


You don't agree with reporting trolls to the FBI?

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#6 warren

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 01:43 AM

You don't agree with reporting trolls to the FBI?

Does it work better than reporting them to the mods?
Poe's law: without a clear indication of the author's intent, it is difficult or impossible to tell the difference between sincere extremism and an exaggerated parody of extremism

If not now, when? Because I have lunch plans.

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#7 Pinchas

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 02:04 AM

Does it work better than reporting them to the mods?


Never tried either...

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#8 Red Hare

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 10:49 AM

I am a troll. I'm a bully too. It's not a crime.
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Posted 05 May 2012 - 11:40 AM

I have noticed the great deal of insults, false information, and general stupidity at online forums. People act a lot worse on the internet (where they feel empowered by anonymity). I actually wrote the mod about the same idea a while back (charge people $1 or something for membership). I have been thinking of that idea for a while- a private forum directed at real world action, high quality posts etc.

But hashkafah is more like a chit chat/ask random questions/hypothetical questions etc. board. I don't know if it would fit.

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 12:19 PM

I have noticed the great deal of insults, false information, and general stupidity at online forums. People act a lot worse on the internet (where they feel empowered by anonymity). I actually wrote the mod about the same idea a while back (charge people $1 or something for membership). I have been thinking of that idea for a while- a private forum directed at real world action, high quality posts etc.

But hashkafah is more like a chit chat/ask random questions/hypothetical questions etc. board. I don't know if it would fit.

So post under your real name.
Poe's law: without a clear indication of the author's intent, it is difficult or impossible to tell the difference between sincere extremism and an exaggerated parody of extremism

If not now, when? Because I have lunch plans.

Purple is indeed very important

The Uncertainty Principle. It proves we can't ever really know... what's going on. So it shouldn't bother you. Not being able to figure anything out. Although you will be responsible for this on the mid-term. - "A Serious Man"




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