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#1 Pinchas

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 06:45 AM

Have you heard this term used before?

I find it offensive. I mean the term itself. I find it offensive in general to label Jews specifically with a subjective and undefined term that can mean different things to different people.

Another example is Modern Orthodox. And Charedi... Black hat... all of these terms...

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 10:23 AM

I don't make a big deal of these things.
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Posted 20 June 2012 - 10:33 AM

See Chabadnik is an ok term because it means something objectively.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 11:17 AM

Have you heard this term used before?

I find it offensive. I mean the term itself. I find it offensive in general to label Jews specifically with a subjective and undefined term that can mean different things to different people.

Another example is Modern Orthodox. And Charedi... Black hat... all of these terms...


It's "Torah True" and I've used the term before to refer to the those who are honest to Torah regardless of torah 'culture' as coined by Rabbi Shimshon Raphael Hirsch.

There are some on this forum who can even use this term offensively. But I believe it's meant to be as it was originally used.

MO, black hat, charedi, frei, etc are used to identify those specific groups - which the person who is writing the post is differentiating him/herself from. so yes - it could be offensive. especially by those who are OTD (pun intended).
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Posted 20 June 2012 - 04:25 PM

See Chabadnik is an ok term because it means something objectively.


Right ......
"There's a stroller called Phil and Ted's? Is that the kind for most excellent adventuresome babies?" Sweet

"I discovered that all the participating members here are 'black sheep' in their own circles. On Hashkafah.com, the mainstream is truly wacked." Silent J

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 08:46 PM

I spent many years away from religious folks and its funny the semantic tricks of many Orthodox Jews. For instance, if I want to talk to a religious woman and convey to her the understanding that I was raised religious, its very important that I talk in a soft voice, with a slight yiddishy flavoring. Otherwise she'll assume I'm a sheigetz (which I am, but this is not indicated by my tone or tenor of voice)...

What do you do with a religion, really any religion, which requires of its adherents certain internal loyalties or orientations (feelings, thoughts, beliefs, faiths, etc...)?

Its all about trust.

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 05:12 AM

It's "Torah True" and I've used the term before to refer to the those who are honest to Torah regardless of torah 'culture' as coined by Rabbi Shimshon Raphael Hirsch.


I like that definition but I heard the same term used by the NK, i.e. "Torah True Jews are against Zionism." But this use is offensive as well since they are implying so many Jews are dishonest to Torah. I have also heard the term "Torah Truthers" and I think when used like that it is meant to mock Jews for exactly that being true to the "torah culture." However I still don't think it's completely fair to use nor constructive it increasing achdus...

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 06:43 AM

However I still don't think it's completely fair to use nor constructive it increasing achdus...


What would you have people say?
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#9 Pinchas

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 06:47 AM

Objective observations.

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 07:22 AM

Have you heard this term used before?...

I had a vague feeling that I had, so I googled it. Just what I thought.
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 08:19 AM

I had a vague feeling that I had, so I googled it. Just what I thought.


Well many of the times it was used have been edited and are no longer on google.

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 10:55 AM

Well many of the times it was used have been edited and are no longer on google.

Let me guess what other site once contained that phrase ...
Poe's law: without a clear indication of the author's intent, it is difficult or impossible to tell the difference between sincere extremism and an exaggerated parody of extremism

If not now, when? Because I have lunch plans.

Purple is indeed very important

The Uncertainty Principle. It proves we can't ever really know... what's going on. So it shouldn't bother you. Not being able to figure anything out. Although you will be responsible for this on the mid-term. - "A Serious Man"

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 05:27 AM

Let me guess what other site once contained that phrase ...


Do you feel ok using it?

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 06:08 AM

Do you feel ok using it?

I don't think I've used it. At least I didn't find myself while searching.

Why don't you ask someone who uses it? And perhaps do that on a site where he still does so?
Poe's law: without a clear indication of the author's intent, it is difficult or impossible to tell the difference between sincere extremism and an exaggerated parody of extremism

If not now, when? Because I have lunch plans.

Purple is indeed very important

The Uncertainty Principle. It proves we can't ever really know... what's going on. So it shouldn't bother you. Not being able to figure anything out. Although you will be responsible for this on the mid-term. - "A Serious Man"

#15 Pinchas

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 08:19 AM

I don't think I've used it. At least I didn't find myself while searching.

Why don't you ask someone who uses it? And perhaps do that on a site where he still does so?


I don't see a need to make anything personal. Do you have anything to add to the topic being discussed here or not?

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 08:27 AM

I don't see a need to make anything personal. Do you have anything to add to the topic being discussed here or not?

You made this personal when you started this thread about a phrase that only one person uses.

https://www.google.c...lient=firefox-a
Poe's law: without a clear indication of the author's intent, it is difficult or impossible to tell the difference between sincere extremism and an exaggerated parody of extremism

If not now, when? Because I have lunch plans.

Purple is indeed very important

The Uncertainty Principle. It proves we can't ever really know... what's going on. So it shouldn't bother you. Not being able to figure anything out. Although you will be responsible for this on the mid-term. - "A Serious Man"

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 01:06 PM

You made this personal when you started this thread about a phrase that only one person uses.

https://www.google.c...lient=firefox-a


You only found one person using Google. Is that the be all, end all? What if he's referring to usage that's not online?
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 06:01 PM

You only found one person using Google. Is that the be all, end all? What if he's referring to usage that's not online?

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Poe's law: without a clear indication of the author's intent, it is difficult or impossible to tell the difference between sincere extremism and an exaggerated parody of extremism

If not now, when? Because I have lunch plans.

Purple is indeed very important

The Uncertainty Principle. It proves we can't ever really know... what's going on. So it shouldn't bother you. Not being able to figure anything out. Although you will be responsible for this on the mid-term. - "A Serious Man"

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:02 PM

Peace to you Indigo, you sit in Thornhill and your neologisms are spoken in Jerusalem!

Thank you for making my point.
We are the music makers , and we are the dreamers of the dreams. - Willy Wonka

What the mind can conceive and believe, it can achieve. - Napoleon Hill

Frumkeit without Mentchlichkeit is not Yiddishkeit!

#20 Pinchas

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 02:07 AM

Warren, where I heard the phrase is irrelevant. This is about the phrase, not any one person. (Despite your long held belief the world does not revolve around you, Melech, indigo or anyone else. )

If you have something else to share please start your own topic rather than hijacking this one.

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