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Bestiality in Shas

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#1 HadasahHadash



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Posted 28 December 2012 - 12:57 PM

I know this is a weird first post, but this is a serious question. Not trying to stir up trouble.


I've been following daf yomi and am seriously shocked/confused by a passage in todays blat (Shabbat 86b) that discusses how long semen transmits impurity if it is secreted from a woman after sexual relations. The passage first discusses the case of a Jewish woman, then a non-Jewish woman and finally an animal. The Koren translation that I am using reads "What is the halakha with regard to semen of a Jew in the womb of an animal?" 


Bestiality has also been raised as an issue in Berachot (56) in a passage on dream interpretation, but at least there it was not presented as an actual event but as a dream sequence. 


I know the Talmud often discusses improbable situations to tease out the intricacies of halacha, but I'm still surprised that this is mentioned without any negative comments. And in any case, isn't there a ruling in shas to the effect that "The children of Israel are not suspected of bestiality"? How can the passage in Shabbat be reconciled with this idea?


Can anyone shed some light on this?


Thanks and Shabbat Shalom,


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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:36 PM

I thought bestiality and incest are banned in the Torah.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 07:38 PM

how odd, you can say 'pass' but not 'passage'

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 08:57 AM

I thought this was about the Shas party...

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:33 AM

What Pinchas said.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 07:56 PM

I just looked it. up. There is no question in my mind that it is theoretical, i.e., the gemara is using  this theoretical case as an extreme in order to clarify the boundaries of the halacha.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 02:17 AM

Gee, some #######s never change ...

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